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Everyone Has a Plan Until They Get Social Pressure To the Face

​or: Invisible Social Consensus is Real And Can Hurt YouRelated: Annoyingly Principled People, and what befalls them, both in terms of the claim being made, and in that I am certainly being Alice and/or Alex here.I think the biggest blind spot most people have about how they make decisions, both for what they do and what they care about, is the passive role of social pressure. Active social pressure is annoying, and most people recognize it, and can, if they so choose, push back. There are several problems there; you have to recognize that social pressure and social reality are separate from physical reality, and you have to notice what you yourself want, and distinguish that from what you’re told to want, and you have to actually find it in you to push back. Not easy. But the benefits, at a certain level of intelligence, become obvious: Doing only the things your environment rewards is a bad way to accomplish anything novel, and every improvement is a change. For that and other reasons, many people achieve this. (And good for them!)But that’s not actually the end of pushing back against social pressure. It’s a good start, becoming the unreasonable man who insists on adapting your circumstances to yourself. But you still have a trap: passive social pressure defines what it is to be reasonable. It is not a fight you can win once, like a lot of active pressure; it is constant gravity you have to constantly be wary of. You have to actively cultivate the environment of people you care about, to fight it, and I’m not sure if ‘good people at home, worse people at work’ works.Let me give an example. Nate Silver is one of the most consistently accurate and unreasonable people in media. He follows the data to its conclusion, and when he doesn’t, he owns up to it and commits harder to being correct. I respect him about as much as I respect anyone in journalism, on Substack or elsewhere.[1] When he built FiveThirtyEight from a solo anonymous blog into a larger journalistic office, it was not as good as his individual work had been; it was good, generally better at following the data and the logic to the truth regardless, but not as good as him. This is fine; that perfection was never going to happen. From very early on, though, there was a clear second place: Harry Enten. With the ‘Whiz Kid’ title he got, and being one of the first hires, I think Silver knew this too. Third was probably Galen Druke, but much more distant.But that’s just setup. The twist is this: Harry Enten left FiveThirtyEight for CNN in February 2018. And by May 2018, Nate Silver’s own coverage had gotten noticeably worse.It was still very good. Better than I’d have done, no question. But before that point it was about as good as modern Silver Bulletin, and after it was worse, sinking slowly and then plateauing at some point. I’d love to give you a particular date but this is not readily gaugeable. I suspect Nate himself would agree, though. Lacking the social pressure to stick to high-quality data-driven, logic-driven analysis made him do worse.I’ve recently had an argument with some rational, intelligent people who work at Anthropic. I saw that they were being compared to AI 2027’s predictions (terrifyingly close, and reality is ahead of schedule) and said ‘Promise you’re not going to treat it as a target?’ They responded to this like I was accusing them of being unusually cowardly or unusually swayable by pressure. Gave me a list of reasons why they didn’t think they needed to worry. So now I’m more worried than I was before. For thirty years, Moore’s Law held like clockwork, year in and year out. Not because it was the natural trend; that would have made it merely fairly close. It was nearly ironclad. Because the industry saw it as a target. There became a background social expectation that this was the appropriate rate of growth of improvement in microchip prices and scale. I’m nearly certain were a lot of chip designers who would tell you they tried just as hard to innovate better methods when they were slightly ahead of schedule as when they were running behind, and, from the results, they were wrong. And this is far from an isolated incident. Runners didn’t break the four-minute mile for decades; it was impossible. Then it was broken, once, and it was like floodgates were opened. No one was explicitly pressuring the fastest runners to not try; they just assumed consensus was reasonable and got discouraged from ambition without realizing it. Medicine is notorious for it, especially diet medicine – the evidence shifts well before the practice, and shifts again, and again. Some people blame lobbying, but this is obvious nonsense; there’s too many doctors to lobby. No one’s pushing them to stick to consensus; it just happens in the background.So no, I don’t find the reasons they don’t think Anthropic will track this reassuring. I believe Anthropic’s team are unusually moral, unusually intelligent, and overall above-average rationality. They’re not unusually easy to sway to follow the consensus. But that’s not enough; you have to be actively selected for being hard to sway, and when you’re mostly selecting for the best, most moral programmers you can possibly find, you won’t be unless it’s an explicit target. Most people at Anthropic haven’t read AI 2027? Sure, whatever, it doesn’t take many. In principle, it could be none. A dozen executives asking Claude Sonnet 4.0 to summarize it for them would be enough, if other people are comparing it visibly. No one has to actually push you, for you to be pushed.Anthropic will not set out to treat AI 2027’s predictions, which end with the end of humanity unless things go really really implausibly well, as a target. That’s not the plan. But everyone has a plan until they get social pressure to the face. You can select for people who are resistant to this. I’m personally somewhat more resistant to this than most people, which helps me see it more clearly, but mostly what I see is how susceptible I still am and how extremely susceptible other people are. Being resistant to this requires being seen as a jerk, unless you’re really skillful, because when everyone else gets pushed and you plant yourself and refuse, without a legible reason, that’s jerk behavior. You’re being difficult for no reason! Fighting things that are perfectly normal and reasonable! Why would you do that, you jerk?I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to be immune except by having utter contempt for everyone who thinks you should change. Not great for changing your mind unless you’re the kind of implausible genius who can derive whole new fields of study on your own. And given John von Neumann’s notorious risk-taking behavior despite many sensible arguments put to him, that’s probably not going to work out for you either. On the other hand, if you’re a sociopath, good news! If you’re functioning in society, you get it for free.But what can you do, to be resistant? LessWrong-style rationality helps; paying attention to the fact that your mind runs on corrupted hardware, the lens of your own mind on itself to watch as your beliefs slide to make things more convenient for you. It helps to keep records, if you can – what you believed and why you said you believed it. So you can come back later and check, but also because beliefs are easier to keep track of pinned down on paper than free-floating in your head. Doubt your doubts, then doubt those, and take a security mindset against yourself, and you will, eventually, get better at it. And as I alluded to with FiveThirtyEight, get at least one close friend and collaborator who is also pretty good, and reinforce each other; argue, edit, critique, test yourselves against each other.But also I know… maybe one person, who’s gotten really good at it without being a jerk.[2] And not a ‘well it looks like I’m being a jerk but I have a good reason’ jerk. Just an ordinary run of the mill ‘kinda spoil your day for mild personal convenience’ jerk. You can, eventually, get there, but you have to practice resisting social pressure to get good enough to be able to look past the pressure and decide if it’s worth it, correct, to resist here. And you’re not going to be lucky enough to guess the right call every time on the way there, and you’re probably not good enough to navigate pushing back on unimportant things not really making a stand about without pissing people off who will be right to be pissed off.[3]And even when you get there, you will be less convincing even when you’re not taking a stand. This doesn’t seem inevitable. Skill issue. But there also seems to be good reason why this should be the case. Setting yourself apart from default social reality is necessary and inherent in the resistance needed. To resist approximate consensus when it’s wrong, you’re inherently setting yourself apart. But that sets you apart from the assumptions everyone else shares, and those assumptions, playing to them and using them as common ground, are common tools in persuasive writing and speaking. They’re very valuable rhetorical tools, but more importantly they’re subconscious tools. Most cognition happens at the preverbal level; calling for the conscious strategic planner who puts things into explicit concepts is not something you have the time to do regularly. Most of the time you use System 1, not System 2, and it’s very, very hard to have different assumptions in your deliberative, analytical System 2 but still use the shared assumptions in System 1. And that means your body language, your automatic word choice off the cuff, etc., etc., will be slightly off.My blog is named Dangerous Sincerity, and this is one of the cases where your sincerity becomes dangerous. Social reality is lesser and latter than physical reality. But it – social consensus – is still real, and can hurt you, whether you see it or not. It will, if you defy it. Better, if you can, to set up systems and surround yourself with a group project of others who are trying. And, especially if you’re creating something that could destroy the world if you’re insufficiently careful, check and double-check constantly.And then, maybe, you’ll be paranoid enough when it counts.^There’s a tier of people here where I’d also place Zvi Mowshowitz, Sarah Constantin, and Kelsey Piper, in descending order of unreasonableness and correspondingly increasing order of persuasive ability.^Kelsey Piper. Kelsey manages to be skillful enough to maybe have never had to be a jerk to get there, but she’s also the least resistant of the four people I mention in my top tier.^Yes, I did this when I was younger. I was also doing the principled thing, but I was certainly being a jerk in other ways. Don’t take this advice as license to refuse whatever. Whether I was being a jerk without reason now, in the argument with the Anthropic people, is left as an exercise for Claude Mythos 7 or something because I sure don’t know.Discuss ​Read More

​or: Invisible Social Consensus is Real And Can Hurt YouRelated: Annoyingly Principled People, and what befalls them, both in terms of the claim being made, and in that I am certainly being Alice and/or Alex here.I think the biggest blind spot most people have about how they make decisions, both for what they do and what they care about, is the passive role of social pressure. Active social pressure is annoying, and most people recognize it, and can, if they so choose, push back. There are several problems there; you have to recognize that social pressure and social reality are separate from physical reality, and you have to notice what you yourself want, and distinguish that from what you’re told to want, and you have to actually find it in you to push back. Not easy. But the benefits, at a certain level of intelligence, become obvious: Doing only the things your environment rewards is a bad way to accomplish anything novel, and every improvement is a change. For that and other reasons, many people achieve this. (And good for them!)But that’s not actually the end of pushing back against social pressure. It’s a good start, becoming the unreasonable man who insists on adapting your circumstances to yourself. But you still have a trap: passive social pressure defines what it is to be reasonable. It is not a fight you can win once, like a lot of active pressure; it is constant gravity you have to constantly be wary of. You have to actively cultivate the environment of people you care about, to fight it, and I’m not sure if ‘good people at home, worse people at work’ works.Let me give an example. Nate Silver is one of the most consistently accurate and unreasonable people in media. He follows the data to its conclusion, and when he doesn’t, he owns up to it and commits harder to being correct. I respect him about as much as I respect anyone in journalism, on Substack or elsewhere.[1] When he built FiveThirtyEight from a solo anonymous blog into a larger journalistic office, it was not as good as his individual work had been; it was good, generally better at following the data and the logic to the truth regardless, but not as good as him. This is fine; that perfection was never going to happen. From very early on, though, there was a clear second place: Harry Enten. With the ‘Whiz Kid’ title he got, and being one of the first hires, I think Silver knew this too. Third was probably Galen Druke, but much more distant.But that’s just setup. The twist is this: Harry Enten left FiveThirtyEight for CNN in February 2018. And by May 2018, Nate Silver’s own coverage had gotten noticeably worse.It was still very good. Better than I’d have done, no question. But before that point it was about as good as modern Silver Bulletin, and after it was worse, sinking slowly and then plateauing at some point. I’d love to give you a particular date but this is not readily gaugeable. I suspect Nate himself would agree, though. Lacking the social pressure to stick to high-quality data-driven, logic-driven analysis made him do worse.I’ve recently had an argument with some rational, intelligent people who work at Anthropic. I saw that they were being compared to AI 2027’s predictions (terrifyingly close, and reality is ahead of schedule) and said ‘Promise you’re not going to treat it as a target?’ They responded to this like I was accusing them of being unusually cowardly or unusually swayable by pressure. Gave me a list of reasons why they didn’t think they needed to worry. So now I’m more worried than I was before. For thirty years, Moore’s Law held like clockwork, year in and year out. Not because it was the natural trend; that would have made it merely fairly close. It was nearly ironclad. Because the industry saw it as a target. There became a background social expectation that this was the appropriate rate of growth of improvement in microchip prices and scale. I’m nearly certain were a lot of chip designers who would tell you they tried just as hard to innovate better methods when they were slightly ahead of schedule as when they were running behind, and, from the results, they were wrong. And this is far from an isolated incident. Runners didn’t break the four-minute mile for decades; it was impossible. Then it was broken, once, and it was like floodgates were opened. No one was explicitly pressuring the fastest runners to not try; they just assumed consensus was reasonable and got discouraged from ambition without realizing it. Medicine is notorious for it, especially diet medicine – the evidence shifts well before the practice, and shifts again, and again. Some people blame lobbying, but this is obvious nonsense; there’s too many doctors to lobby. No one’s pushing them to stick to consensus; it just happens in the background.So no, I don’t find the reasons they don’t think Anthropic will track this reassuring. I believe Anthropic’s team are unusually moral, unusually intelligent, and overall above-average rationality. They’re not unusually easy to sway to follow the consensus. But that’s not enough; you have to be actively selected for being hard to sway, and when you’re mostly selecting for the best, most moral programmers you can possibly find, you won’t be unless it’s an explicit target. Most people at Anthropic haven’t read AI 2027? Sure, whatever, it doesn’t take many. In principle, it could be none. A dozen executives asking Claude Sonnet 4.0 to summarize it for them would be enough, if other people are comparing it visibly. No one has to actually push you, for you to be pushed.Anthropic will not set out to treat AI 2027’s predictions, which end with the end of humanity unless things go really really implausibly well, as a target. That’s not the plan. But everyone has a plan until they get social pressure to the face. You can select for people who are resistant to this. I’m personally somewhat more resistant to this than most people, which helps me see it more clearly, but mostly what I see is how susceptible I still am and how extremely susceptible other people are. Being resistant to this requires being seen as a jerk, unless you’re really skillful, because when everyone else gets pushed and you plant yourself and refuse, without a legible reason, that’s jerk behavior. You’re being difficult for no reason! Fighting things that are perfectly normal and reasonable! Why would you do that, you jerk?I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to be immune except by having utter contempt for everyone who thinks you should change. Not great for changing your mind unless you’re the kind of implausible genius who can derive whole new fields of study on your own. And given John von Neumann’s notorious risk-taking behavior despite many sensible arguments put to him, that’s probably not going to work out for you either. On the other hand, if you’re a sociopath, good news! If you’re functioning in society, you get it for free.But what can you do, to be resistant? LessWrong-style rationality helps; paying attention to the fact that your mind runs on corrupted hardware, the lens of your own mind on itself to watch as your beliefs slide to make things more convenient for you. It helps to keep records, if you can – what you believed and why you said you believed it. So you can come back later and check, but also because beliefs are easier to keep track of pinned down on paper than free-floating in your head. Doubt your doubts, then doubt those, and take a security mindset against yourself, and you will, eventually, get better at it. And as I alluded to with FiveThirtyEight, get at least one close friend and collaborator who is also pretty good, and reinforce each other; argue, edit, critique, test yourselves against each other.But also I know… maybe one person, who’s gotten really good at it without being a jerk.[2] And not a ‘well it looks like I’m being a jerk but I have a good reason’ jerk. Just an ordinary run of the mill ‘kinda spoil your day for mild personal convenience’ jerk. You can, eventually, get there, but you have to practice resisting social pressure to get good enough to be able to look past the pressure and decide if it’s worth it, correct, to resist here. And you’re not going to be lucky enough to guess the right call every time on the way there, and you’re probably not good enough to navigate pushing back on unimportant things not really making a stand about without pissing people off who will be right to be pissed off.[3]And even when you get there, you will be less convincing even when you’re not taking a stand. This doesn’t seem inevitable. Skill issue. But there also seems to be good reason why this should be the case. Setting yourself apart from default social reality is necessary and inherent in the resistance needed. To resist approximate consensus when it’s wrong, you’re inherently setting yourself apart. But that sets you apart from the assumptions everyone else shares, and those assumptions, playing to them and using them as common ground, are common tools in persuasive writing and speaking. They’re very valuable rhetorical tools, but more importantly they’re subconscious tools. Most cognition happens at the preverbal level; calling for the conscious strategic planner who puts things into explicit concepts is not something you have the time to do regularly. Most of the time you use System 1, not System 2, and it’s very, very hard to have different assumptions in your deliberative, analytical System 2 but still use the shared assumptions in System 1. And that means your body language, your automatic word choice off the cuff, etc., etc., will be slightly off.My blog is named Dangerous Sincerity, and this is one of the cases where your sincerity becomes dangerous. Social reality is lesser and latter than physical reality. But it – social consensus – is still real, and can hurt you, whether you see it or not. It will, if you defy it. Better, if you can, to set up systems and surround yourself with a group project of others who are trying. And, especially if you’re creating something that could destroy the world if you’re insufficiently careful, check and double-check constantly.And then, maybe, you’ll be paranoid enough when it counts.^There’s a tier of people here where I’d also place Zvi Mowshowitz, Sarah Constantin, and Kelsey Piper, in descending order of unreasonableness and correspondingly increasing order of persuasive ability.^Kelsey Piper. Kelsey manages to be skillful enough to maybe have never had to be a jerk to get there, but she’s also the least resistant of the four people I mention in my top tier.^Yes, I did this when I was younger. I was also doing the principled thing, but I was certainly being a jerk in other ways. Don’t take this advice as license to refuse whatever. Whether I was being a jerk without reason now, in the argument with the Anthropic people, is left as an exercise for Claude Mythos 7 or something because I sure don’t know.Discuss ​Read More

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